Monday, January 7, 2008

10 Reasons not to vote for Ron Paul

I've been seeing these issues come up a lot on "progressive / liberal" message boards. They are misinterpreting a vote against a law with not caring about the subject. Ron Paul simply wants to limit the power of the Federal Government and give it back to the People and the States. And the people who make this argument never talk about the real serious issue that trumps the rest - the coming collapse of our dollar. I will post what they said and my responses below. I found the topic on democraticunderground.com
The original posts appears to have come from "who would jesus vote for".
Original Post:

10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul!!

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.


2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392


3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720


4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary


5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936


6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”

Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154



7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.


8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47’s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of JFK, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.


9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!

Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?


10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.”1 Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

So there you have it, my 10 reasons not to vote for Ron Paul. Please take the time to thoroughly review the records of the people running for office so you know where they really stand. Ron Paul has good rhetoric and he opposes the war but he’s not a good man in the human rights sense of the phrase. He is pretty much like every other Republican but more insidious

My Reply:

These are misinterpretations. These arguments are similar to those made about Iraq. "The Democrats voted against paying for the war, so the Democrats don't support the troops!!!" Be very careful when using this logic. I will do my best to explain.

Keep in mind that with all of Ron Paul's decisions he is for restriction of the federal governments authority over the states. This is a fight that has been going on since the birth of our nation.

Also, the biggest issue here that is being ignored is the value of the dollar and inflation. Without addressing these core problems we will continue to see the middle class shrink in size, the American economy will go deeper into a recession, and we won't be able to fund our welfare programs OR the military - even if we want to. Do any of you know the history of the Federal Reserve and its creation in 1913 and how fractional-reserve banking allows money to be printed out of thin Air? How the dollar is worth $.04 today compared to $1.00 in 1913? How the income tax was created in 1913 to pay the Federal Reserve interest on the dollars they create?

We are faced with the possible collapse of America as we know it. Dismissing Ron Paul and/or ignoring the monetary issue would be a grave mistake. Ron Paul is for liberty, freedom and peace.

#1 - Ron Paul has strong libertarian views. Libertarians think that grouping individuals is racist, this is what Affirmative Action does. Libertarians view all humans as individuals. Black, White, Gay, Straight - all are individuals. The government shouldn't be able to group people and then force other individuals to act based on those groupings. Ron Paul cleared this up in his latest interview on PBS with Bill Moyers.

#2 - The issue of abortion is a distraction. The debate should focus on PREVENTION of PREGNANCY, not abortion. This issue divides us. Abstinence simply doesn't work and its unfortunate this is what most "pro-lifers" push. We need education and availability of condoms, birth control pills, etc. Socially we should be educating that Abortion should be only used as a last resort. Preventing pregnancies reduces abortions, everyone wins. Its time we all come to a compromise on this issue.

#3 - Minimum Wage - yes it is sad that people are paid a "minimum wage" that doesn't reflect a "living wage". Also frustrating that the minimum wage was frozen while Reagan and Bush were in office while inflation kept rising, so the poor essentially had a pay cut equal to inflation over those years. However, the issue here with Ron Paul is against the Federal Government telling the market how to operate. Ron Paul is strongly against price controls. He follows the Austrian School of Economics.

Consider this possibility in the near future when we could have DEFLATION. Businesses could possibly be forced to pay a "minimum wage" that is above what the market desires. Look at what happened with Argentina when their economy collapsed - prices went into hyperinflation, then collapsed and now things are dirt cheap. The government should get out of the way of price controls. If businesses aren't paying their workers enough, they should form unions or strike. Boycott the business. Shun and shame them. I believe change should come from the grassroots and the community, not from government force. No one likes to be forced to do anything.

#4 - How is removing the income tax unfair? H.R. 5484 is from 1984. I'm sure this was a compromise solution and he has since moved on and wants to remove the income tax and replace it with NOTHING.

#5 - Ron Paul supports allowing water and air to be considered "private property" which would allow us to sue someone who pollutes our water and air. This would be a positive for protecting the environment. And face the fact that without Oil, the United States and the world would come to a screeching halt. We must come together and do EVERYTHING we can to make alternative energies a reality. However, without access to cheap energy, we may not have enough energy to build the infrastructure necessary to create the conversion. We should discourage oil use and oil drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, but it may come down to a point where it is necessary for our survival.

Ron Paul is also against Government subsidies of Oil. Let the rich corporations take care of themselves, and allow alternative energy companies a fair chance to compete.

#6 is just plain wrong. Ron Paul would immediately take our navy out of the middle east and send a message to Iran that they are not a threat. He would then carefully take our troops home and talk to the world and send a message of PEACE. How would that give the US a negative image?

Ron Paul is for strong national defense here at home but is against American Empire. The world is still a hostile place, so its premature to dismantle our ICB missile system. I agree that we should move in that direction though. In the direction of worldwide disarmament. Imagine seeing the last nuclear weapon being dismantled!!

#7 - I agree that "marriage" should be left alone. Religious people feel strongly about that. We should follow in the footsteps of other nations and define this as civil unions, and give civil unions the same rights as marriage. And sorry, H.R.7955 shows that he doesn't want federal funds used for this. Not explicitly the he is against the issue. See my original point.

#8 - I don't like the idea of semi automatic guns, and I am strongly against violence. But if people feel a need to hold guns to protect themselves from theft OR to be a deterrent against an oppressive government, they should be allowed to be free and choose for themselves. If we are to turn into a Police State and no one has rights to guns, how will we be able to fight back and protect ourselves against an oppressive Tyranny? The 2nd amendment puts a check against government oppression.

#9 - I think our educational system is a joke. Kids are not prepared or educated when they leave. It needs some serious work. If parents want to educate their own kids or send them to private school they should have the option. Their tax dollars for Education that are not used should be credited back.

I think the real issue with Health care is that it is being done for profit. This is wrong. Either we have non-profit organizations or government, but one way or another. Health care for profit needs to stop. This encourages big pharma and unnecessary procedures and discourages preventive medicine.

#10 - Your argument is baseless. He no where says He is showing his frustration with religion and "merry christmas" being taken out of public view. He is entitled to his opinion. In no way is he advocating reversing the separation of church and state. He is supporting "alternative views" - get it. Teaching kids there is another way of thinking other than the consensus. What a concept. What if everyone thought the world was flat, and this was taught in schools. Wouldn't it be fair to propose an "alternative view" that the earth was round? Then this would allow people to consider other options - EVEN IF THEY AREN'T TRUE. If many believe something, it should be talked about and DEBATED. Not ignored and treated as if it doesn't exist.

I personally believe there is something to the Mayan Calendar and 2011/2012. I trust my intuition and have beliefs that are similar to the Buddhist philosophy of living in the moment and not grasping. My views aren't mainstream and many don't believe it. I think it would be fair for this to be mentioned as an "alternative view" in school.

6 comments:

RECLAIM.org said...

good job on this Zach, keep up the good work =)

86thefed said...

Couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks for the effort the good Doctor would be proud!

Zachary Stowasser said...

thanks guys! I was banned from that forum after that post! Looks like they're not interested in an intelligent debate and would prefer to censor opposing views. sad.

Ryan said...

#7
Religious people feel strongly about marriage? The only time ive heard sanctity of marriage mentioned by religious people is when it comes to homosexuals. Those same religious people never talk about sanctity of marriage when people get divorced or married after 1 day. If there is an uproar about the sacredness of marriage it should be across the board or I am not buying it.

Homer said...

I have an even harder time trying to wake up the hardcore liberals than I do many conservatives. They are so caught up in their ideologies that when it comes to actually effecting any real change, they are completely impotent. I voted Pelosi and crew hoping for something big and look what we got. Now most liberals are ready to zombie walk into the voting booths and do the exact same thing! I have a very liberal ideology but that's all based on if we lived in a perfect utopia.

We need to hire the person that will get the job done. 4 years, I can give him that. Plus, no executive orders with Ron Paul. Everything is done according to the constitution. He will go through congress for everything. So abortion and all these social programs are not going to disappear as if a black hole has suddenly opened up and sucked them into a parallel universe.

Nice blog Zach. I'll check in frequently. You and I emailed a bit a while back, didn't we?

Zachary Stowasser said...

homer! I agree. Ron Paul would respect the wishes of the people and would not be "the decider", like you know who.

And yes, I was democrat until after seeing how both parties are now corrupt and have no problem running this country into bankruptcy and taking away our liberties.

I think we should be able to "opt-out" of gov services that we don't want. social security, welfare, unemployment. everyone wins! you want it, you got it. You dont want it, you dont pay for it! simple!! :)

I'm so tired of people trying to control others. And people need to realize that we are all one. its not good vs evil. we are all humans here on this planet together. with limited and dwindling resources.

ron paul came in 2nd place today in nevada! i won my precinct! w00t.

I talked with a giuliani guy and I brought him to the conclusion that to save this country and to solve iraq, we must put our #1 priority on alternative energies and regarding iraq, we must not be the only country holding the burden.